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in libya, an assault on the consulate resulted in the death of the american ambassador christopher stevens and three others. these images echo the worst -- the recall those moments in 1979 with the taking of american hostages at the embassy in iran. u.s. taxpayers gave an enormous $1.6 billion to egypt, which is now run by a former member of the muslim brotherhood. should the u.s. give up foreign aid to these nations, mr. sadler? >> no. not now, we have a fledgling government being formed a. with egypt withholding funds, the editorial board agreed is time for us to stop the old on that aid. it is in our best interests to stay involved. if we do not stay involved, russia, china, and other countries with in this world will i do not think to cut off the aid. >> mr. cruz? >> this is another area of clear disagreement. we should not be funding those who are contrary to our interest. the only justification for continuing that aid or any portion of it is it to protect national security interests of the united states. we should use that aid as extensive leverage to protect national security intere
in libya, an assault on the consulate resulted in the death of the american ambassador christopher stevens and three others. these images echo the worst -- the recall those moments in 1979 with the taking of american hostages at the embassy in iran. u.s. taxpayers gave an enormous $1.6 billion to egypt, which is now run by a former member of the muslim brotherhood. should the u.s. give up foreign aid to these nations, mr. sadler? >> no. not now, we have a fledgling government being formed...
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gerri: steven, do you believe that? the $5 trillion issue, you know, the president says every single day on the campaign trail that mitt romney will raise taxes on the middle class. was that sufficiently answered? >> i think it was. i thought that was the weakest point for mitt romney, the first two minutes where he backed away from the things he argued or not campaign trail and almost apologetic he's offering a tax cut. embrace the cut, gone on the offense of the tax cut if i was mitt romney. at one point after mitt romney said, look, mr. president, what you say is not true. it's not the case that it will necessarily result in a tax hike for the middle class. he said it three times, and the last time, president obama said, okay, because there's a new -- there's a column written by by colleague at the weekly standard who interview the the director who came up with the original study that found that was going to result in a middle class tax hike and said, in fact, no, it doesn't mean there's a mitt l class tax hike, a si
gerri: steven, do you believe that? the $5 trillion issue, you know, the president says every single day on the campaign trail that mitt romney will raise taxes on the middle class. was that sufficiently answered? >> i think it was. i thought that was the weakest point for mitt romney, the first two minutes where he backed away from the things he argued or not campaign trail and almost apologetic he's offering a tax cut. embrace the cut, gone on the offense of the tax cut if i was mitt...
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one is the ongoing situation regarding the death of ambassador christopher stevens in libya. lots of vagueness about what really went on in the days leading up to this and indeed, afterwards. what is your assessment of where we are now? >> well, let me tell you what's not vague, and that is five days after, five days after what was very quickly determined by the intelligence committee as a terrorist attack, they trotted out our ambassador to the u.n. to every major news outlet saying that this was a spontaneous demonstration because of a hateful video. that's probably one of the worst things that i have ever observed in my life, and obviously, there were warnings and obviously anybody who believes that an attack with mortars and rocket-propelled grenades and a very sophisticated attack is the result of a video, i mean, it's just ridiculous. and finally, piers, it's not the video that's stoking these demonstrations. as you know, it's the radical islamists that are using the videos as a means of inflaming passion in the middle east and i'll be damned if i'm ready to abandon the
one is the ongoing situation regarding the death of ambassador christopher stevens in libya. lots of vagueness about what really went on in the days leading up to this and indeed, afterwards. what is your assessment of where we are now? >> well, let me tell you what's not vague, and that is five days after, five days after what was very quickly determined by the intelligence committee as a terrorist attack, they trotted out our ambassador to the u.n. to every major news outlet saying that...
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. >>> we have the situation of the death of ambassador christopher stevens in libya. lots of vagueness about what really went on in the days leading up to this and indeed afterwards. what is your assessment of where we are now? >> what is not vague, and that is five days after what was very quickly determined by the intelligence committee as a terrorist attack, they trotted out our ambassador of the u.n. to every major news outlet saying that this was a spontaneous demonstration because of a hateful video. that's probably one of the worst things that i have ever observed in my life, and obviously there were warnings, and obviously anybody who believes in an attack with mortars and rocket hi rocket-propelled grenades, a very sophisticated attack, is the result of a video is just ridiculous. it's not the video that's stokingdemonstrations, it's the iraqis who are using these videos, and i'll be damned if i'm going to vacate the freedom of speech because of muhammad. >> are you in favor of her resigning? >> no, she was shooting the messenger. she was told to do that. i b
. >>> we have the situation of the death of ambassador christopher stevens in libya. lots of vagueness about what really went on in the days leading up to this and indeed afterwards. what is your assessment of where we are now? >> what is not vague, and that is five days after what was very quickly determined by the intelligence committee as a terrorist attack, they trotted out our ambassador of the u.n. to every major news outlet saying that this was a spontaneous demonstration...
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the attack goes on for hours, and there were warnings, as you know, because cnn put out part of chris stevens' diary. things are going south all over the world. look at this morning in iraq. we've got a miserable failure in iraq. it's unraveling. afghanistan, more insider killings, because this president doesn't believe in american exceptionalism and keeps telling people we're winning. finally he said something about syria, but now we're going to give them communications equipment, which does very well against attack airplanes and helicopters and artillery and tanks. >> you're being sarcastic here. you want to give more? >> we need to arm them. the iranians have admitted that they're on the ground. russians arms are falling in. iranian planes are flying over iraq as we speak. >> do you think there's a conflict? do you think we need to add to it? >> i think the role of america is to lead, not follow. by the way, we blame it on the video, and it shows the absolute inept tud and ignorance of the realities. >> they were blaming the protests against the american embassy and the deaths, in fact --
the attack goes on for hours, and there were warnings, as you know, because cnn put out part of chris stevens' diary. things are going south all over the world. look at this morning in iraq. we've got a miserable failure in iraq. it's unraveling. afghanistan, more insider killings, because this president doesn't believe in american exceptionalism and keeps telling people we're winning. finally he said something about syria, but now we're going to give them communications equipment, which does...
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have a conversation with stuart stevens and then a conversation with mike leavitt. it is just two different worlds. i honestly believe it would not be that the similar period a very different conversation that the one you would have with jack lew it or whoever is thinking through what obama would do in november/december of this year and for six months of next year. i do not think it is impossible. i think maybe it is just the way we will conduct ourselves, which is pick extremely quickly after election day. i do not buy the argument the partisanship is so bad. that will be an unusual situation, what we have not had in a long time. in any case, i think -- it is not going to be a lot of clues about this over the next five weeks, i do not think. >> which is unfortunate. >> congressman gordon. >> the partnership -- partisanship is very bad and will take leadership to get through that. going back to the ambassador's comments about how their romney would govern. i completely agree with the deal making aspect of working with congress. we saw that as governor of massachuset
have a conversation with stuart stevens and then a conversation with mike leavitt. it is just two different worlds. i honestly believe it would not be that the similar period a very different conversation that the one you would have with jack lew it or whoever is thinking through what obama would do in november/december of this year and for six months of next year. i do not think it is impossible. i think maybe it is just the way we will conduct ourselves, which is pick extremely quickly after...
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the liberal media has ignored the facts surrounding the terrorist attack on ambassador christopher stevens. last night stewart went to town. >> so the administration's story was anti-muslim video on youtube touched off a massive protest on vend to spread quickly to 27 other places. seems implausible, but two days later, they had an explanation for that, two. >> our current assessment is that what happened in benghazi was, in fact, initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in cairo. almost a copy cat of the demonstrations against our facility in cairo which were prompted, of course, by the video. >> copy cats. [ laughter ] libya wasn't the ring. it was the ring 2. [ laughter ] five days after the attack, the white house was still sticking to the video story. on the eighth day, the director of national counter terrorism center went in front of congress with a slightly different assessment. >> i would say yes, they were killed in the course of a terrorist attack on our embassy. >> of course, he's going to say it was a terrorist attack. he runs the counterterror
the liberal media has ignored the facts surrounding the terrorist attack on ambassador christopher stevens. last night stewart went to town. >> so the administration's story was anti-muslim video on youtube touched off a massive protest on vend to spread quickly to 27 other places. seems implausible, but two days later, they had an explanation for that, two. >> our current assessment is that what happened in benghazi was, in fact, initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just...
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the loss of the ambassador and thether three. >> maybe senator reid doesn't care about christopher stevens. maybe he doesn't care about those three other brave americans. >> you know he does, though? >> well, to make a statement like that, of course, politicizes an issue that all americans should be concerned about what information there was. and what caused his death, every american, no matter whether democrat or republican. he is the one that's taking the cheap political shot. >> senator john mccain, good to have you here. >> thank you. >>> team romney says the president's campaign is spiking the ball on the 30 yard line, so which is it? is the president's team overly confident, or overly cautious? obama's senior advisor david axelrod is here next. [ female announcer ] ordinary lotions aren't made to treat eczema, so it can feel like you're using nothing at all. but neosporin® eczema essentials™ is different. its multi-action formula restores visibly healthier skin in 3 days. neosporin® eczema essentials™. in 3 days. ♪ chirping beeping camera ahhhh drill sound chirping electric s
the loss of the ambassador and thether three. >> maybe senator reid doesn't care about christopher stevens. maybe he doesn't care about those three other brave americans. >> you know he does, though? >> well, to make a statement like that, of course, politicizes an issue that all americans should be concerned about what information there was. and what caused his death, every american, no matter whether democrat or republican. he is the one that's taking the cheap political...
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>> my name is steven sshore. there were two swing states you did not talk about -- missouri and in. are those those couptwo in the romney camp. >> maybe people on the panel would disagree. there is no evidence that obama is within shouting distance in indiana. the best he has done in missouri is to be four or five points down. missour is interesting. there are demographic and geographical ships that are taking place that seemed to make it more conservative rather than less. that is unusual for states these days. even though it is within margin, i think most people see that margin as getting much wider this year and the direction of the gop. >> people often point to wake county in north carolina as a county that is making our state more democrat-leading. people come to wake county from somewhere else. in general, if they are coming from the northeast, that could theoretically make a state like pennsylvania more competitive as people go to northern virginia. now, could still be true even if pennsylvania is overwhelmingly democratic. >> basically, what has happened is we have gone from
>> my name is steven sshore. there were two swing states you did not talk about -- missouri and in. are those those couptwo in the romney camp. >> maybe people on the panel would disagree. there is no evidence that obama is within shouting distance in indiana. the best he has done in missouri is to be four or five points down. missour is interesting. there are demographic and geographical ships that are taking place that seemed to make it more conservative rather than less. that is...
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does it lean republican or is it even steven? >> i think it's flipped. it used to be you had to give a reason for early voting. you had to be disabled or -- wealthy people in florida or business people. now it's all about organizing and getting people there early. in ohio we have what's called the golden week. this was interestingly written by a republican legislature, the law was, several years ago where for one week registrion is still open so you can register at the cuyahoga or franklin county or richland county board of elections. you can register to vote and vote in your same trip to the board of elections. >> i like that. >> it really makes sense. we're urging people to come in this week. people particularly who are least likely to be registered, and that's people on college campuses coming back to school, more low income people, and people that might have moved for business reasons, whatever, and need to update their registrations. >> okay. here is the battle going on in the air. you were talking the ground game. the obama campaign is running this
does it lean republican or is it even steven? >> i think it's flipped. it used to be you had to give a reason for early voting. you had to be disabled or -- wealthy people in florida or business people. now it's all about organizing and getting people there early. in ohio we have what's called the golden week. this was interestingly written by a republican legislature, the law was, several years ago where for one week registrion is still open so you can register at the cuyahoga or...
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steven haze who is also a fox news contributor spoke about the seriousness of the developments last night on special report. listen to this. >> it is significant. we find more and more details coming out that are problematic for the situation and suggest we aren't getting the entire story from the outset. you had susan rice and others who are suggesting that the consulate was as well secured as it could have been not only security contractors on the ground providing security for the building itself but many members. made it sound like a big team. it appears that's not the case. we learned two other things in the past 36 hours that present additional problems. we have heard about this telephone intercept between al qaeda linked groups about the attack. we know that phone call took place immediately after the attack and the administration had access quickly after the attack. the question is, if they knew that if they had access to that information so quickly after the attack why wouldn't it shared with the american people? the commander the top general in africa who oversees this, carter ha
steven haze who is also a fox news contributor spoke about the seriousness of the developments last night on special report. listen to this. >> it is significant. we find more and more details coming out that are problematic for the situation and suggest we aren't getting the entire story from the outset. you had susan rice and others who are suggesting that the consulate was as well secured as it could have been not only security contractors on the ground providing security for the...
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they are demanding specific communications between ambassador stevens and the state department. >> at a time most americans would want to rally around our country at the death of four americans serving our country instead we've had this bizarre response which only leads me to believe, number one, there was gross negligence or incompetence involved or this administration doesn't want all of us to realize that libya may now be a failed state if the fbi agents who are well-trained can't even make it into benghazi. >> with growing calls for ambassador susan rice resign over her comments that benghazi was a demonstration spun out of control had strong defense this weekend by senior obama cam main advisor. >> i was shocked to see representative king attack ambassador rice because she was acting on the intelligence given her to the intelligence community. to say she should resign, she is one of the most remarkable splendid public servants that is thoroughly irresponsible. >> reporter: two final observations about axelrod's comments. number one, susan rice went way beyond the assessment here
they are demanding specific communications between ambassador stevens and the state department. >> at a time most americans would want to rally around our country at the death of four americans serving our country instead we've had this bizarre response which only leads me to believe, number one, there was gross negligence or incompetence involved or this administration doesn't want all of us to realize that libya may now be a failed state if the fbi agents who are well-trained can't even...
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. >> brown: pastor stevens also had a greater concern about missed opportunities. >> this shouldn't be an election about voting against the other guy. this should be an election about voting for the person who is is going to benefit your community. >> brown: you're not seeing that from either party? >> neither party. neither party >> brown: the two parties intending to stir enthusiasm ine eksefore the t vote, that might well be a sobering message indeed. >> ifill: you can find more on jeff's trip to north >> ifill: you can find more on jeff's trip to north carolina, including his foray into mixed martial arts on our web site. watch his newsroom conversation with political editor christina bellantoni, plus a behind-the- scenes slideshow, on our politics page. >> woodruff: the newshour and npr are tracking how the presidential campaigns are spending their ad dollars to target specific demographic groups in battlegrounds like north carolina, our partner kantar media/cmag found that president obama and mitt romney have spent eight times more money this year on spanish- language ads than in
. >> brown: pastor stevens also had a greater concern about missed opportunities. >> this shouldn't be an election about voting against the other guy. this should be an election about voting for the person who is is going to benefit your community. >> brown: you're not seeing that from either party? >> neither party. neither party >> brown: the two parties intending to stir enthusiasm ine eksefore the t vote, that might well be a sobering message indeed. >>...
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as stevens said in his defense, it is interesting -- when i talk about corporations, i think about international oil bodies. when the majority talks about corporations, they are talking about companies that just happens to be inc.. that goes to michael's question about how do you write an law? >> i was earlier accused of being the hopeful aspirational voice, and this is really quite refreshing. i guess what are no interested in -- how hard is it to draw a bright minds? it is modeled. the -- it is muddled. how in some senses is speech and in some senses not. and i would argue, what exactly is the difference when i go in the ballot box and i go purely on my own economic interests. i do not want my taxes to be higher and i want -- i think this guy will make them lower. how is that different than i do not want the taxes on the corporation to be higher. it seems like trying to write these incredibly complex rules that people will just work around. maybe you can say -- what is the case, what is the vision? >> let's take a slightly different example. the difference between ideological and self-interest
as stevens said in his defense, it is interesting -- when i talk about corporations, i think about international oil bodies. when the majority talks about corporations, they are talking about companies that just happens to be inc.. that goes to michael's question about how do you write an law? >> i was earlier accused of being the hopeful aspirational voice, and this is really quite refreshing. i guess what are no interested in -- how hard is it to draw a bright minds? it is modeled. the...
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. >> steven johnson is our guest sunday taking your calls, e-mails and tweets on in depth. the author will look at sites history, the cyber world, popular culture in computer networking and politics. live at noon eastern on booktv on c-span2. >> this is the first parish church in brunswick maine, and its significance to the story of uncle tom's cabin is that in many ways the story began you. is here in this q., q. number 23, that harriet beecher stowe, by her account, saw a vision of uncle tom being whipped to death. now, uncle tom as you probably know as the title character of the hero of her 1852 novel, uncle tom's cabin. uncle tom's cabin was written very much as a protest novel, by anyone in the north, take a in knowing what all abolitionists lived, if anyone in the north was to aid or abet a fugitive slave, they themselves would be imprisoned or fined for breaking the law. and this was the bill which was seen as kind of the compromise between the north and south to avoid war. so that was part of what the novel was trying to do was to say listen, i'm a person, harriet b
. >> steven johnson is our guest sunday taking your calls, e-mails and tweets on in depth. the author will look at sites history, the cyber world, popular culture in computer networking and politics. live at noon eastern on booktv on c-span2. >> this is the first parish church in brunswick maine, and its significance to the story of uncle tom's cabin is that in many ways the story began you. is here in this q., q. number 23, that harriet beecher stowe, by her account, saw a vision...
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warner: the attacks that kied american ambassador chris stevens and three colleagues in benghazi was first described by u.s. officials as an eruption of anger at an anti-islam film. the obama administration has since reversed that appraisal and now calls it a well coordinated terrorist attack. but questions have mounted over the shifting assessments. and today two republican congressmen, oversight committee chairman darrell issa of california and jays leveled new allegations. in a letter to secretary of state clinto they charged washington rejected multiple requests for security improvements at been gas emission. they base their assertions on unidentified sources described as multiple u.s. federal government officials. the state department spokeswoman said the secretary would respond in writing this very day. >> her response is going to be relatively succinct today, as i said, expressing her complete commitment to work with the congress to get fully to the bottom of this. but i don't anticipate she'll be able to answer the specific questions today >> warner: the two congressmen say t
warner: the attacks that kied american ambassador chris stevens and three colleagues in benghazi was first described by u.s. officials as an eruption of anger at an anti-islam film. the obama administration has since reversed that appraisal and now calls it a well coordinated terrorist attack. but questions have mounted over the shifting assessments. and today two republican congressmen, oversight committee chairman darrell issa of california and jays leveled new allegations. in a letter to...
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as the attorney of steven colbert, will he use that money to try to win the emmy from jon stewart? my real question is -- it is difficult to change. this is a time when things are so polarized. with new technology where everybody has their own axe to grind, address that as a dissuading factor. if i go home tonight, i can do whatever i want to as many people as i can reach. that is different from the time of jefferson. ben franklin are someone only needed to set that in print and now all you need to is to press a button. how does that fit into a campaign? >> obama cannot raise the money without technology. the net is different from a newspaper. you can say whatever you want an infinite number of people can read that. no one will know you wrote that unless you put money behind it or have a way of promoting it. there are similar barriers. you cannot say you're printing press is as important as someone else's printing press. it is more complicated. >> question surprised me. going to say we took a simple subject and made it murky. >> the person who will not read that article is the swin
as the attorney of steven colbert, will he use that money to try to win the emmy from jon stewart? my real question is -- it is difficult to change. this is a time when things are so polarized. with new technology where everybody has their own axe to grind, address that as a dissuading factor. if i go home tonight, i can do whatever i want to as many people as i can reach. that is different from the time of jefferson. ben franklin are someone only needed to set that in print and now all you...
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ambassador of libya chris stevens knew he was on an al qaeda hit list and inadequately protected before
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>> steven call, university of maryland. is it important for the united states to abide by international law and liberal international order and is there a way the united states could use military force against iran's nuclear program without u.n. approval and be in compliance with international law? >> who wants to take that? want to take it. >> i will take it but don't want to be droning on and on. >> then speak briefly. >> i will speak briefly. the united states, first of all, you know you can go through a lot of presidents going back to including bill clinton obviously who took military action in kosovo in that case without a u.n. security council mandate and, barack obama ran and says repeatedly that he does not consider the united states bound by to pursue its interests bound by u.n. security council resolutions. merge has i would say am by lept attitude toward international law. we are in some respects the greatest spokesman sometimes for international law but throughout our history and throughout the cold war and even
>> steven call, university of maryland. is it important for the united states to abide by international law and liberal international order and is there a way the united states could use military force against iran's nuclear program without u.n. approval and be in compliance with international law? >> who wants to take that? want to take it. >> i will take it but don't want to be droning on and on. >> then speak briefly. >> i will speak briefly. the united states,...
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quote part of the article, "it isn't the chair or the ho-hum convention or the leaked video or stuart stevens or the improving economy or media bias or distorted polls or the message or mormonism, it's mitt." what does mitt romney have to do in this first debate to change the narrative that he is, in fact, a flawed candidate? >> i think it's sort of stating the obvious. in every campaign where there are problems, be it staff problems, be it message problems, there's always a lot of criticism that goes around it. ultimately, the candidate is responsible and it all comes from the top. so i think to conclude that mitt romney is responsible for whatever problems he had is probably an easy conclusion to have to make. obviously, in the debates, he's going to have to perform well, he's going to have to perform succinctly, and we've seen him do that in the past, as you have been discussing. he has been able to go on -- all throughout the republican primaries, he was able to at moments when expectations for him were extremely low, go in and surpass them. and if he keeps his cool and he knows his stuff
quote part of the article, "it isn't the chair or the ho-hum convention or the leaked video or stuart stevens or the improving economy or media bias or distorted polls or the message or mormonism, it's mitt." what does mitt romney have to do in this first debate to change the narrative that he is, in fact, a flawed candidate? >> i think it's sort of stating the obvious. in every campaign where there are problems, be it staff problems, be it message problems, there's always a lot...
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government and it's going to be looked at and certainly chris stevens who is out there also was reading the assessments and understanding the threats he knew that this was a difficult environment to operate in as well. it's a horrible tragedy that took place and something that we hope and pray will never happen again but to make political hay and gain out of it, it really doesn't help support the efforts of our people. >> quickly i have to ask you, were you disappointed in the handling of -- ambassador rice came out with the information she had available at the time, congressman king of new york wanting her to resign, paul ryan said in a new interview he would not go that far. again, a lot of moving parts. were you disappointed in how this at least was handled if there is, in fact, now an opening for political gain or genuine questions here? >> well, i think that the attempt to make political gain out of this came forward before any facts were known. it's clear this is a strategy that's being pur sisued by the romney team and unfortunately they're continuing to look for more reasons to
government and it's going to be looked at and certainly chris stevens who is out there also was reading the assessments and understanding the threats he knew that this was a difficult environment to operate in as well. it's a horrible tragedy that took place and something that we hope and pray will never happen again but to make political hay and gain out of it, it really doesn't help support the efforts of our people. >> quickly i have to ask you, were you disappointed in the handling of...
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ambassador chris stevens and three other americans. cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr is working this story for us. barbara, what new are you learning? >> kate, let's explain to everybody what we're talking about here, when we say that in fact the u.s. intelligence community, the u.s. military is in the very preliminary stages of assembling target lists, possible militant personnel to go after inside libya responsible for that attack. it is what they do. the cia, the military commando units, they gathering intelligence. we know they have been doing that since the attack. they put it together, with all the information they have, satellite imagery, communication intercepts, what they know about a militant organization. some of these groups in eastern libya and they develop a potential target list. this is very preliminary work we are told, assembling that list so they will be ready if president obama were to ask for it. there's no decision to do it. it's not even ready, really. it's not fully cooked. still gathering intelligence,
ambassador chris stevens and three other americans. cnn pentagon correspondent barbara starr is working this story for us. barbara, what new are you learning? >> kate, let's explain to everybody what we're talking about here, when we say that in fact the u.s. intelligence community, the u.s. military is in the very preliminary stages of assembling target lists, possible militant personnel to go after inside libya responsible for that attack. it is what they do. the cia, the military...
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she had actually met with ambassador stevens. what do you make of the pictures you see of what arwa's talking about? >> as i listen to arwa, it just reinforces what we said last week and we've said from the beginning. investigators have to go there, even if you didn't have all the physical evidence there that arwa just described to our viewers, you would want to know from the witness interviews, anderson, you would want to know measurements, you would want to be able to take people through it to really understand what the dynamic was. but then you see things like handprints and blood samples. one of the things, the first thing you would do, i'll give you an example, that is you would take the blood sample off the toilet and the bidet and see whether or not it matched first to the ambassador's. did he fall. there's all sorts of things you would want to know. you know, the pictures we've seen publicly of his body doesn't look like he did, but you don't know. and all those sorts of bits of information, it is true, it would be a less
she had actually met with ambassador stevens. what do you make of the pictures you see of what arwa's talking about? >> as i listen to arwa, it just reinforces what we said last week and we've said from the beginning. investigators have to go there, even if you didn't have all the physical evidence there that arwa just described to our viewers, you would want to know from the witness interviews, anderson, you would want to know measurements, you would want to be able to take people...